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Island Man
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Help! German Youtube into English.
by nakanozzi ini want this video translated in english.
auto-translate isn't very much help for me.. jw child abuse in germany.
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God does not desire any to be destroyed?
by stuckinarut2 inso if the idea is promoted that god doesn't want anyone to be destroyed, why does he make it so confusing for people to learn about him?.
why are there thousands of differing religions?.
why has "his only true organisation" even taught so many varying doctrines?.
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Island Man
The God of the bible is like the wife who gets upset with her clueless/emotionally unintelligent husband for saying/doing/not doing something and starts giving him the silent treatment and does not tell him exactly what it is he did wrong but expects him to know what it is and apologize for it or else he's doomed to sleeping on the couch for all eternity.
The God of the bible has distanced himself from imperfect humanity for something their forefathers did and expects them to find exactly the right religion out of thousands without telling them which one it is and if they don't, he condemns them to eternal torment in hell or annihilation (depending on which religion you guess he's working with)
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JWs anti gay video reaches over 1,000,000 views on youtube
by alanv inthe anti gay video that watchtower recently produced has now had over 1,000,000 views.
of those who selected to like or dislike the video, over 92% disliked it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnk52bu92oe.
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Island Man
What about anti-vaxxers? Their stupidity can be measured in child deaths. Shall we lock them up for expressing their ignorance in public?
YES! Given that vaccination saves lives and given that lack of vaccination results in preventable deaths, anyone who publicly advocates against vaccination should prove their case empirically or face prison time for reckless endangerment of the public.
When people are publicly sharing ideas that can cause actual harm and even the death of others, then that should be a crime punishable with imprisonment. There's nothing wrong with criticising policies or claims. But when criticism is provable false and provably harmful, that is - should be - a crime. I see it as being just as bad as a man who falsely shouts "fire!" in a crowded theatre, igniting a stampede that results in the trampling deaths of many.
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JWs anti gay video reaches over 1,000,000 views on youtube
by alanv inthe anti gay video that watchtower recently produced has now had over 1,000,000 views.
of those who selected to like or dislike the video, over 92% disliked it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnk52bu92oe.
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Island Man
It should be illegal for any group to teach implicitly or explicitly that a specific segment of society are deserving of death by virtue of their nature or their actions, unless it can be demonstrated that that segment's actions causes the deaths of others with overwhelming consistency.
It may be sugar-coated, but JWs are teaching that gay people are deserving of death and will be killed by God. The nature and actions of gay people do not cause the deaths of persons with overwhelming consistency, thus the JW teachings is disproportionately discriminatory and fosters negative attitudes toward that segment of society - attitudes which can serve as a motive for some to commit hate crimes against homosexuals.
Freedom of religion and freedom of speech stops at the point where religions single out innocent segments of society and paint shooting targets on them. Make no mistake about it, there are three essentials to every crime: motive, means and opportunity. JWs contribute to creating the motive that inspires homophobic hate crimes.
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Things JWs Say VS What A Normal Person Would Say...
by JW_Rogue inwhen someone says "merry christmas" or "happy holidays".... a normal person: responds in kind.
a jw: says "thank you" or launches into a speech about christmas' pagan roots.
when a couple is celebrating their wedding anniversary... .
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When someone is explaining to the police why they're turning over lost valuables that they've found on the street or at some public place.
Normal person: Because I would want someone else to do the same for me if I lost my valuables.
JW: Because I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses and we learn to be honest through our study of the bible; and we long for the day when everyone will be honest. Would you like to learn about how you can live in world where everyone is honest? I have my smart phone with me and if I can just show you this website ...
One of the pivotal differences between JWs and many other christians is that JWs pridefully promote their religion and their organization, while many other christians promote christ. JWs implicitly preach: "Look at us, we alone are righteous. Join us." Others preach: "Look to christ, he alone is righteous. Go to him."
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What was the point of the bunker video
by Crazyguy inthey get caught by the bad guys at the end anyway, don't get what thier point is to the video?
of course i haven't seen it all they way either.
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Island Man
The point of the bunker video was to associate Watchtower's man-made rules on things like not pursuing a music career, not associating with worldly people, etc with survival through the great tribulation. They're trying to make their rules seem more important for survival than they actually are. That way JWs are more afraid of breaking their rules.
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The identity of "The Faithful and Discreet Slave", solved - I think.
by Island Man in“who really is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?
- matthew 24:45. let's be honest, the faithful and discreet slave logically cannot refer to any and every christian.
this is not merely an encouragement for all christians to prove themselves faithful and discreet.
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stillin: Island man, you taught me something! Are you the F&D ?
LOL. I'm not a Christian, far less having been appointed as an apostle or elder to teach the congregation. I'm an atheist, so no, the parable is not directed at me.
No one is THE faithful and discreet slave. It is a parable identity that applies to multiple persons.
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Kevinly Class Activism - Brilliant!
by konceptual99 inthis is great.
i'd love to see this at brighton in a couple of weeks.... "i'm of the kevinly class" or "praise kevin" would be a great way of letting any activist know there are those awake that know what they are doing.
https://youtu.be/ld0-jvn98aa.
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Island Man
I call this method Presinicfin. Preemptive Subtle Information Injection to Combat Future Indoctrination.
I don't think her's was a particularly potent example. Here's an example of a more potent way of using this method:
Let's use as an example, the Watchtower a few years ago that said to be ready to obey any information from the organization whether or not it seems logical from a human or strategic standpoint. Let's say this information is leaked to you ahead of time by an apostate insider.
You look for an example of a cult that mirrors this - a cult that encourages members to accept what the cult says no matter how illogical it sounds. You discuss this other cult with the JW and point out the folly of them blindly following directions no matter if it sounds illogical. You try to get the JW to commit mentally to the idea that it is foolish for religious people to follow illogical directions from a cult. You even point out how the cult skillfully misuses bible texts to guilt the members into following its illogical instructions. You don't mention JWs at all. You don't offer the slightest hint that you're alluding to JWs. You're ostensibly highlighting an example of the folly Babylon the Great. Your goal is to make a lasting impression on their mind that it is foolish and cultish to blindly follow a religious organization even when its instructions seem illogical.
Some days or weeks later when the JW receives and reads the new Watchtower or it is considered at the meeting, the part about being ready to obey any information even if it seems illogical, will react negatively in his mind, with the firmly held idea that was implanted by the prior discussion you had with him. This will produce a strong bout of cognitive dissonance that will tend to cause him to reject the Watchtower instruction as being blatantly foolish and cult-like. He does not even have to remember the specific discussion he had with you. He just has to remember and invest in the idea that you implanted during your discussion with him.
The preemtive and subtle nature of this method means that the JW easily accepts the information you share with him as his defenses are down since you don't hint at any connections with his religion. You're just sharing innocuous helpful information with him which, unbeknown to him, will react negatively in his mind with future information he will receive from Watchtower, resulting in him being repulsed by the Watchtower information, being less apt to accept it and more apt to wake up from the indoctrination.
So whatever insider information is leaked to us before the JWs we use this information to our advantage by having a preemptive discussion with JWs where we implant in their minds, ideas that are at odds with the Watchtower information that will be revealed to them in the future. These preemptive ideas then serve as a kind of inoculation against them blindly accepting the Watchtower information that will be revealed to them in future. Ideally, the ideas we implant should cause a bout of cognitive dissonance in future, causing them to be somewhat repulsed by the future Watchtower information.
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The identity of "The Faithful and Discreet Slave", solved - I think.
by Island Man in“who really is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?
- matthew 24:45. let's be honest, the faithful and discreet slave logically cannot refer to any and every christian.
this is not merely an encouragement for all christians to prove themselves faithful and discreet.
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Island Man
"I see nothing to indicate a spiritual feeding program assignment in this illustration."
I wouldn't use the word "program". But the parable definitely makes reference the slave being appointed over the domestics to feed them. That much cannot honestly be denied.
“Who really is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? - Matthew 24:45
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The identity of "The Faithful and Discreet Slave", solved - I think.
by Island Man in“who really is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?
- matthew 24:45. let's be honest, the faithful and discreet slave logically cannot refer to any and every christian.
this is not merely an encouragement for all christians to prove themselves faithful and discreet.
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Island Man
When Jesus asked: "Who is the faithful and discreet slave?" He was not pointing to a specific singular entity that will spring up in the future. He was asking a rhetorical question directed to all who would be appointed to feed the congregation in some way. He was essentially asking them: "Will you prove to be faithful in teaching the congregation wholesome things at the right time?" I think Jesus asked this question in the context of telling his followers to keep on the watch because those appointed to teach the congregation would have a pivotal role to play in helping others to keep on the Watch. This connects back to the householder parable that immediately precedes the FDS parable in Luke. The slave in the FDS parable is the householder in the thief-householder parable immediately before. The householder has to keep on the watch to secure his house against the unannounced thief. The slave does this by feeding the domestics the right food to help them keep on the watch.
So the way I see it Jesus was telling everyone to keep on the watch and then used the FDS parable to give some focused counsel directed to the teachers of the congregation telling them that they have a special role to play in this regard and they had better prove themselves faithful in doing it. That's the way I see it.